Carl Bernstein talks the power of the Drudge Report and the influence the eponymous editor had in the Republican primary race during a CNN panel discussion about Roger Ailes and the future of FOX News. Bernstein said FOX has driven Trump’s candidacy less than Matt Drudge and called the website “an influence unequalled.”

“One of the interesting things we’ve seen in this campaign is FOX has driven Trump’s candidacy less than Matt Drudge,” the legendary journalist said Wednesday on CNN. “Drudge is really great new factor in this election in terms of media. He is — Drudge, that site has been unapologetically in Trump’s pocket from the beginning. And I would say a large measure of why Donald Trump is the nominee goes to Matt Drudge in much the way that FOX has — when you use the word kingmaker, I’m not sure it goes quite far that way, but it is an influence unequalled.”

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